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PostSubject: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Tue May 18, 2010 7:33 pm

I think that since Renegade was very understanding with my situation when joining the forum, I should contribute, so I decided to make a place to inquire about guns in general.

I have a couple of questions myself.

First

One the Jakobs Skullmasher, since the gun fires 6 bullets, is it a really small spray, or in a straight line?


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I also would like to know, that with the Hyperion Nemesis, that is every scope an invader scope? or are only some scopes?
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Tue May 18, 2010 7:49 pm

Skullmashers are kinda like a shotgun spread when i fire it

basically the further the distance the more spread it gets
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Tue May 18, 2010 7:56 pm

The nemesis has a chance to spawn with the invader scope. It's not a guaranteed thing.
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 3:20 am

Here's a question for the guys:

All the snipers I have found which have the VICIOUS prefix always have the lower grade LB body (body 1); I have found a vicious orion, vicious lance, vicious invader, vicious thunder, etc ...

Now I read somewhere that penetrators can't spawn with the vicious prefix;

1/ is this correct or could they technically also spawn with the VICIOUS prefix on the lower grade body ??

2/ or is the reason for this because they are either LIQUID or DESERT, Liquid has a higher priority than vicious, so always would override vicious ??

Thx for reasoned answers !
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 3:31 am

i wont touch this one for one reason-

my find almost 3 months ago was off of craw (the phantom level 61 drops that happen one in a million)

it was the ppz5700 vicious penetrator with the proper stock and scope

no one ever believed me so i stopped fighting that battle, and frankly unless you developed the weapons engine in the game, i really dont call "farming experiance" valid information

so like i said-i wont touch this, just know that any reply you get alick isn't going to be PROVEN FACT- sorry guys, just because you think youve found everything or read the stupid fuckin legit thread 300 times doesnt make you an expert

just sayin

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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 3:42 am

R3N3GAD3 wrote:
i wont touch this one for one reason-

my find almost 3 months ago was off of craw (the phantom level 61 drops that happen one in a million)

it was the ppz5700 vicious penetrator with the proper stock and scope

no one ever believed me so i stopped fighting that battle, and frankly unless you developed the weapons engine in the game, i really dont call "farming experiance" valid information

so like i said-i wont touch this, just know that any reply you get alick isn't going to be PROVEN FACT- sorry guys, just because you think youve found everything or read the stupid fuckin legit thread 300 times doesnt make you an expert

just sayin

Nothing was intented here Renegade, you know that, we surely haven't found everything in the game, thats a fact. I just inquired because I had read that somewhere again just recently. I know very well that you found that one and I still have that vicious one from before Knoxx (which stayed in the game after the patch so is also considered legit not modded), so I still believe they can spawn like this. I was really just curious about this.
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 7:38 am

R3N3GAD3 wrote:
so like i said-i wont touch this, just know that any reply you get alick isn't going to be PROVEN FACT- sorry guys, just because you think youve found everything or read the stupid fuckin legit thread 300 times doesnt make you an expert

I would like to know who is considered the most knowledgeable so that i can ask that person. This Penetrator has been bothering me as well. Im not trying to stir the pot i just want an answer to this question from the foremost expert. So guess im asking who is the person to ask??
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 7:56 am

I alick I wrote:
R3N3GAD3 wrote:
i wont touch this one for one reason-

my find almost 3 months ago was off of craw (the phantom level 61 drops that happen one in a million)

it was the ppz5700 vicious penetrator with the proper stock and scope

no one ever believed me so i stopped fighting that battle, and frankly unless you developed the weapons engine in the game, i really dont call "farming experiance" valid information

so like i said-i wont touch this, just know that any reply you get alick isn't going to be PROVEN FACT- sorry guys, just because you think youve found everything or read the stupid fuckin legit thread 300 times doesnt make you an expert

just sayin

Nothing was intented here Renegade, you know that, we surely haven't found everything in the game, thats a fact. I just inquired because I had read that somewhere again just recently. I know very well that you found that one and I still have that vicious one from before Knoxx (which stayed in the game after the patch so is also considered legit not modded), so I still believe they can spawn like this. I was really just curious about this.

One thing; just because it got through the patch doesnt mean its legit. I really dont know much about the penetrators, most say vicious is impossible, others dont. This could go on forever because the 2 sides are 100% sure that they are right. I dont know who's ACTUALLY right, so Im not gonna get involved.
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 8:04 am

lefort40 wrote:
I alick I wrote:
R3N3GAD3 wrote:
i wont touch this one for one reason-

my find almost 3 months ago was off of craw (the phantom level 61 drops that happen one in a million)

it was the ppz5700 vicious penetrator with the proper stock and scope

no one ever believed me so i stopped fighting that battle, and frankly unless you developed the weapons engine in the game, i really dont call "farming experiance" valid information

so like i said-i wont touch this, just know that any reply you get alick isn't going to be PROVEN FACT- sorry guys, just because you think youve found everything or read the stupid fuckin legit thread 300 times doesnt make you an expert

just sayin

Nothing was intented here Renegade, you know that, we surely haven't found everything in the game, thats a fact. I just inquired because I had read that somewhere again just recently. I know very well that you found that one and I still have that vicious one from before Knoxx (which stayed in the game after the patch so is also considered legit not modded), so I still believe they can spawn like this. I was really just curious about this.

One thing; just because it got through the patch doesnt mean its legit. I really dont know much about the penetrators, most say vicious is impossible, others dont. This could go on forever because the 2 sides are 100% sure that they are right. I dont know who's ACTUALLY right, so Im not gonna get involved.

Aha, this I didn't know: "One thing; just because it got through the patch doesnt mean its legit.". Thanks for clarifying that lefort. I thought the patch worked like that because the other guns we thought were not ok did end up disappearing from our inventory. Heartstrong had a mule full of suspected guns from before Knoxx and all of those disappeared.
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 8:10 am

I alick I wrote:
lefort40 wrote:
I alick I wrote:
R3N3GAD3 wrote:
i wont touch this one for one reason-

my find almost 3 months ago was off of craw (the phantom level 61 drops that happen one in a million)

it was the ppz5700 vicious penetrator with the proper stock and scope

no one ever believed me so i stopped fighting that battle, and frankly unless you developed the weapons engine in the game, i really dont call "farming experiance" valid information

so like i said-i wont touch this, just know that any reply you get alick isn't going to be PROVEN FACT- sorry guys, just because you think youve found everything or read the stupid fuckin legit thread 300 times doesnt make you an expert

just sayin

Nothing was intented here Renegade, you know that, we surely haven't found everything in the game, thats a fact. I just inquired because I had read that somewhere again just recently. I know very well that you found that one and I still have that vicious one from before Knoxx (which stayed in the game after the patch so is also considered legit not modded), so I still believe they can spawn like this. I was really just curious about this.

One thing; just because it got through the patch doesnt mean its legit. I really dont know much about the penetrators, most say vicious is impossible, others dont. This could go on forever because the 2 sides are 100% sure that they are right. I dont know who's ACTUALLY right, so Im not gonna get involved.

Aha, this I didn't know: "One thing; just because it got through the patch doesnt mean its legit.". Thanks for clarifying that lefort. I thought the patch worked like that because the other guns we thought were not ok did end up disappearing from our inventory. Heartstrong had a mule full of suspected guns from before Knoxx and all of those disappeared.

Yeah, I thought that at first. But anarchies with 70 acc made it through the patch, along with some other clearly suspicious guns. The game doesnt see a problem with them, even though they cant spawn because they dont break the rules that the patch set. i.e hyperion parts on atlas guns, more than 1 stock, etc. Kinda hard to explain.
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 9:05 am

I'm starting to believe it isn't true either, since:

* "Desert" overrides everything on a Penetrator except the very rare "liquid". In short, desert and liquid are the only two prefixes spawnable in-game by looking at priority charts. It's like how you will never find a 2.7FR Vicious Orion, because if a Penetrator COULD spawn as Vicious, it should have a sub-4 fire rate.
* Never seen crawmerax drop a level 61 weapon, only the very rare lvl 61 shield/grenade mod
* That is the only vicious Penetrator I have ever seen, no-one's posted another

http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=101893&page=207 - this is the EXACT Penetrator that I put through WT to get the stats. Read the replies.


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Gear is NOT legit.


>> Selected prefix 'Prefix.Prefix_reload1_Vicious' is in possible pool of prefixes.
>> Selected title 'Title.TitleM_Dahl1_Penetrator' is in possible pool of titles.
>>
Checking for legitness:
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>> Test for prefix 'Solid' PASSED: 27.00 (Rarity) is GreaterThanOrEqual --> 5
>> Test for prefix 'Hard' PASSED: 27.00 (Rarity) is GreaterThanOrEqual --> 8
>> Test for prefix 'Fearsome' PASSED: 27.00 (Rarity) is GreaterThanOrEqual --> 11
>> Test for prefix 'Distant' NOT passed: 0.69 (Spread) is not LessThanOrEqual --> 0.2
>> Test for prefix 'Liquid' PASSED: 0.22 (Fire Rate) is LessThan --> 0.5
>> Test for prefix 'Vicious' PASSED: 2.01 (Reload Speed) is LessThanOrEqual --> 3
>> Test for title 'Lance' NOT passed: 0.69 (Spread) is not LessThan --> 0.22
>> Test for title 'Thunder' PASSED: 5.12 (Normalized Damage) is GreaterThanOrEqual --> 5
>> Test for title 'Wrath' PASSED: 27.00 (Rarity) is GreaterThanOrEqual --> 5
>> Test for title 'Wrath' NOT passed: 4.00 (Tech Level) is not GreaterThanOrEqual --> 7
>> PREFIX: 'Desert' has higher priority than Vicious (3 vs 2.2)
>> PREFIX: 'Liquid' has higher priority than Vicious (2.5 vs 2.2)

Read last 2 lines ^^

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PPZ570 D Vicious Penetrator
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DAMAGE: 1018.5
CLIP SIZE: 10.00
FIRE RATE: 4.59
SPREAD: 0.69
RECOIL: 2.67
COST: $9,458,226
RARITY: 29 (Purple)
CRITICAL DMG: +180%
RELOAD: 1.38 sec.
TECH LEVEL: 7.00
TECH POOL: 28.00
DPS: 2862.06
ZOOM FOV: 18.0
BURST COUNT: 0.00
AMMO REGEN: 0.

Impossible to spawn.
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 10:15 am

so out of 17 million possible combination something like that is impossible to spawn?
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 10:16 am

Yes, because the Vicious prefix will ALWAYS be overriden.
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 10:32 am

but if the game is random that means it has a chance?
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 10:35 am

No because it simply can't happen within the bounds of the game. That's like saying the 1019dmg Vicious Orion with 2.7 fire rate can spawn - it can't because Vicious Orions for a fact can only reach 1.4 fire rate. If it has a 2.7 fire rate it will ALWAYS be liquid because that prefix is what gives it the fire rate. Vicious adds more damage.

It doesn't have anything to do with randomness, it has to do with how the weapon generation works.
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 10:37 am

Ok maybe random isnt the correct word. The game uses a set of variables that equate to an astronomical number of chances for something to spawn. The game cannot change the base variables.
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 10:40 am

so did you both admit that the game isn't random?
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 10:41 am

When weapons are selected from loot pools they are random, yes. When they are then put forward for generation, no, the generation follows specific rules, such as prefix laws.

Do you honestly think all 17million variations of weapon stats are in one loot table? It picks the weapon itemgrade (repeater, revolver etc) and goes from there by using specific generation rules.


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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 10:44 am

lets conduct this in chat cause were derailin this thread fast.
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 1:16 pm

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so like i said-i wont touch this, just know that any reply you get alick isn't going to be PROVEN FACT- sorry guys, just because you think youve found everything or read the stupid fuckin legit thread 300 times doesnt make you an expert

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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 1:33 pm

R3N3GAD3 wrote:
i wont touch this one for one reason-

my find almost 3 months ago was off of craw (the phantom level 61 drops that happen one in a million)

it was the ppz5700 vicious penetrator with the proper stock and scope

no one ever believed me so i stopped fighting that battle, and frankly unless you developed the weapons engine in the game, i really dont call "farming experiance" valid information

so like i said-i wont touch this, just know that any reply you get alick isn't going to be PROVEN FACT- sorry guys, just because you think youve found everything or read the stupid fuckin legit thread 300 times doesnt make you an expert

just sayin
I didn't make this thread for debating on the possible combinations on guns, I meant it as a place where one player can ask other players for info they don't necessarily know, or are unsure
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 1:56 pm

Yeah this kind of stuff should go here.
http://nobsborderlands.forumotion.com/weapons-gear-discussion-f6/official-is-my-gun-modded-constructed-thread-t6.htm

If you guys continue this argument here I will hand out 3-day bans.
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 1:59 pm

Dacheat wrote:
Yeah this kind of stuff should go here.
http://nobsborderlands.forumotion.com/weapons-gear-discussion-f6/official-is-my-gun-modded-constructed-thread-t6.htm

If you guys continue this argument here I will hand out 3-day bans.

Sorry if this was a bad idea. I didn't mean to cause such an uproar lol
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 2:06 pm

The thread itself is a good idea for people wanting to know random gun questions, but it's not really meant for gun legitimacy debates.

Example:

Q: What manufacturer makes the cyclops?
A: Atlas.
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PostSubject: Re: The Official Gun Inquiries Base (OGIB)   Wed May 19, 2010 2:07 pm

Dacheat wrote:
The thread itself is a good idea for people wanting to know random gun questions, but it's not really meant for gun legitimacy debates.

Example:

Q: What manufacturer makes the cyclops?
A: Atlas.

Exactly, that's what I was going for
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